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Argument with what looks like clean hands. i think that one of the reasons there is such overwhelming pressure for the governor to resign is that national democrats want the clear contrast with president trump, want to be able to make these arguments without the counterargument that, obviously, a democratic governor is accused of these awful, racist things. >> and there's -- i mean, we talk a lot about the politics of this, but what about just the simple morality of this? just making a statement that doesn't have anything to do with politics, that isn't about whether or not you're going to hav...

Through, but he did say a few days and this has been a monumental trial, huge, over two months long as you mentioned 56 witnesses. there are ten counts that this jury has to go through. they've got to wade through all of that evidence that boils down to whether or not they go through bit by bit and they have to look at video and text messages and documents and read through some of that explosive and often very colorful testimony that has been given and in the end decide on these ten counts whether he is guilty or not and just looking at the evidence that's been displayed, former prosecutors ha...

And address those issues. that's really, i think, the question at hand. about the leaks, who knows? this white house has been leak prone. >> but let me ask about this. i mean, first of all, when you were chief of staff, i can't imagine you would let this go. i mean, somebody took information, three months' worth of information that, clearly, they wanted people to see how little, in a traditional sense, this president was doing. what -- what do you even do with that? that is a hostile act. >> it is. it's a critical -- it's a sharp criticism, and it is a telling one, and it is a full one, as you...

About politics. it should be about doing the decent thing, the right thing. he never -- he doesn't seem to understand exactly what he did and why that photo, even if he is in the photo or not, it is on his yearbook page. he doesn't seem to grasp why that is so offensive, why that is so horrendous. he goes out and has a press conference. he denies what he said 24 hours prior. then he makes this weird comment and talks about how he wore blackface, he couldn't take the shine off his face, how hard it was, talks about moon walking. it was embarrassing and shameful and you are t and hurtful. yes, i...

What happened during the 2016 election. so they are tuning a lot of that out, andrea, as the president digs in. for him this is about his base and this is about that key campaign promise of building a wall, andrea. >> but kristen, what about the possibility now with lamar alexander, a republican, circulating this letter, that he gets enough support to have a veto-proof majority in the senate, what about mitch mcconnell being pressured by his own colleagues? >> he is getting pressure. but andrea, he certainly hasn't given in yet. and he has been very clear, he's not going to bring a bill to the...