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Of experts on all of this. dana bash, so when you re hearing this from matt whitaker where he s saying he s not going to talk about conversations with the president, yet he does talk about some of them, saying he hasn t given the president assurances about the mueller probe, he hasn t discussed the probe. what do you make of that? he s trying to have it both ways. he s trying to be very cautious, as pamela was saying earlier, noting that it really did not go very well when he was not under oath but in a press conference when he went further than perhaps he even intended to. it looked like it just kind of spilled out of his mouth that the mueller probe might be coming to an end soon. he clearly has been practicing and maybe doing what they call murder boards here in washington when you prepare for a committee hearing. but he s gotten some tough questioning, he s gotten some speeches, and there is probably a lot more to come on the important nuts and bolts of what ....
Your ability to govern. the press conference, mark, it just it went from bad to worse, i think. i just want to play a little bit more of that, when he talks about dressing up as michael jackson. do you have to? just for people who missed it. terrible, terrible. i had the shoes. i had a glove. i used a little bit of shoe polish to put under my or on my cheeks. the reason i used a very little bit is because i don t know if anybody tried that, but you can t get shoe polish off. it was a dance contest. does that sound like a man who understands the seriousness of what he was standing behind that podium to talk about? no. i mean, a little bit of blackface. what i thought you were going to show is when he was asked to do the moon walk. oh. his wife had to be the one to tell him that it was inappropriate. he s not changed. you know, i understand people, you know, have hit me up. you re a minister. you re supposed to be about ....
Argument with what looks like clean hands. i think that one of the reasons there is such overwhelming pressure for the governor to resign is that national democrats want the clear contrast with president trump, want to be able to make these arguments without the counterargument that, obviously, a democratic governor is accused of these awful, racist things. and there s i mean, we talk a lot about the politics of this, but what about just the simple morality of this? just making a statement that doesn t have anything to do with politics, that isn t about whether or not you re going to have to win, try to win virginia, whether or not somebody is going to be able to say something about a democrat who is sitting in the governor s seat. isn t there a clear and unequivocal statement that you need to make, just to say, this is who i am as a candidate? i totally agree with you. i think that is one of the problems with how ralph northam has handled this. you re right, it shouldn t be ....
Through, but he did say a few days and this has been a monumental trial, huge, over two months long as you mentioned 56 witnesses. there are ten counts that this jury has to go through. they ve got to wade through all of that evidence that boils down to whether or not they go through bit by bit and they have to look at video and text messages and documents and read through some of that explosive and often very colorful testimony that has been given and in the end decide on these ten counts whether he is guilty or not and just looking at the evidence that s been displayed, former prosecutors have said that among the most damning el chapo faces are the recordings of him specifically on the phone ordering around the operations. they are the most damning and that will go to the charge of being the leader of a criminal enterprise and it s one of the most serious that he faces, chris? there is no annoying question ....
And address those issues. that s really, i think, the question at hand. about the leaks, who knows? this white house has been leak prone. but let me ask about this. i mean, first of all, when you were chief of staff, i can t imagine you would let this go. i mean, somebody took information, three months worth of information that, clearly, they wanted people to see how little, in a traditional sense, this president was doing. what what do you even do with that? that is a hostile act. it is. it s a critical it s a sharp criticism, and it is a telling one, and it is a full one, as you noted. look, chris, i don t think any chief of staff, certainly not me with president clinton in the early days, achieves exactly the schedule and flow that you would like with the president. they re going to deviate off schedule. we had a framework every day. ....