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Would never see tsarnaev alive again. that's the government saying now this defendant had a belief of mind, presumably shared with the government investigators, that he thought the whole jig was up. what can you tell us about that? >> i mean, look, clearly they had good reason to believe their friend was the accused boston marathon bomber. no question about that. that's why they go to the apartment. that's why they remove the evidence. but i think it's still -- there's a difference between suspecting, strongly believing your friend is the -- is the accused bomber, and knowing for sure he's the...

>> no, we don't. we know that two are student from kazakhstan that they actually had been detained initially after the bombing on immigration violations, overstaying their visa. and i did talk to a friend of these student who said that one of them, diaz, was appeared to be quite wealthy. the wrecked three beamers, bmws, and then bought a fourth one. so he clearly seems to have come from some money. he had a license plate, we're told, that did have the word terrorist on it. this was taken as some sort of joke. not an indication of jihad thinking. but at this point, there's still a lot we need t...

They are at this point beyond their names and little bit about their background. we don't know how much they share with the main defendant, main suspect in the bombings. you know, what we know now is they found, allegedly, they found this backpack, dismantled it to some extent. accused of covering up to help their friend. there could have been other kids in the dorm that would have covered up to help their friend. in these fast-moving stories we do a lot of speculating. filling in of facts, and information. i want us to be very careful before we build a case on behalf of law enforcement before...

Available information. would they be able, given statements made, and some we should say conflicting statements according to the government, would it be able to be said that they thought their friend was wrongly accused. they didn't see their friends in a criminal matter, but were moving items around and hadn't had contact with law enforcement. >> you raise a good point. ignorance of the law is an defense but conspiracy is a very hard crime to prove. it is not the independent act itself, which is charged against the surviving bomber. they have to show a certain degree of knowledge to be compli...

Worked for president obama, worked with them quite closely, and this official said to me, you know, what was surprising about president obama was his aggressiveness. i think what they meant is his aggressiveness in using schools that he never discussed in any form in the 2008 campaign. when he talked about drones it was mostly with caution. when he talked about cyber, mostly about privacy. then he arrives at the white house. there have been six-fold increase in drone strikes and pakistan alone. and he took olympic games, cyber program and expanded it quite dramatically. where he has been more ...