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Anthony scaramucci said he saw the president laugh so many times. >> there's no evidence of what he just said. with the al smith dinner, we saw the president really not tell jokes. he was sort of overly serious and made everybody uncomfortable and that was his contribution to the evening. he cannot, he cannot not only tell jokes, of course he can't take any because his egowon't allow it. sort of an uncomfortable disaster for everybody and it shouldn't have been. >> i've been with the president where he has laughed. so let's just set the record straight. multiple times. the president can tell j...

I think that because of the fact the president has extremely broad pardon power. we're getting to the edge of his circle. we're getting to his inner circle and his family and michael cohen. i wouldn't be surprised if even before any of them were charged, donald jr., even michael cohen or anyone else. trump pardoned them. and so you have something where the united states congress has to step up and do something. and hopefully mueller will come through with this investigation and do something. i belief we're on the brink of the constitutional crisis. i don't believe anybody can inhibit trump ob ...

He cannot. >> but he's got no choice. willie, at this point, this is what he has to understand. if he fires robert mueller, the investigation will continue on that level, somehow, some way. while that investigation is going on, there is a separate independent investigation in the southern district of new york. that will move forward regardless. he can fire mueller and it doesn't impact that. even if those two investigations went away and they never will, eric sneiderman, the attorney general for the state of new york, is investigating now and people are going to most likely go to jail. that's ...

You're dealing with a lawyer instead of a civilian. >> your interpretation of what the president said today when he got down to that conversation, which was really a conversation with him, about should i fire robert mueller? >> the phrasing is wrong because donald trump as so often is working not off knowledge of the situation but off his own ignorance. it might be willful ignorance, strategic ignorance. but the question is not whether he can fire robert mueller, he cannot. and the question is not whether rod rosenstein can fire mueller out of the blue. the act treats the rules as law and stat...

Sean spicer, sam nunberg who had subpoenas, they get requested, give us documents, e-mails or a grand jury subpoena. no one else, except manafort who's indicted and now today michael cohen had his door kicked in. it's a huge deal period. you add to the extra bar when you're dealing with a lawyer instead of a civilian. >> your interpretation of what the president said today when he got down to that conversation, which was really a conversation with him, about should i fire robert mueller? >> the phrasing is wrong because donald trump as so often is working not off knowledge of the situation but...