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Because especially in such a tight money time, you know, the resources that go to the national parks tend to be less and less. >> yes, of course. >> and although they're such vast eco systems, they do need people to manage them. did you know that yellowstone is ten times the size of new york city? >> no. >> it needs everything from a mayor down to the person who cleans up and maintains the place. that means there has to be a certain amount of funding allocated for that. however, once you've seen these beautiful places, you don't begrudge a cent that is expanded to keep this intact for us and f...

Their grievances about these fees. >> the department of transportation has a proposed rule making and it's in the comment period right now. the comments end on the 23rd of september. and they've set up a special website called regulationroom.org. and this is a website where people can go and register their thoughts and it will go to the department of transportation. the other thing people can do is always go to the consumer travel alliance.org and register their complaints in our comments section. >> you will pass that forward to the d.o.t. i presume? >> we certainly will. we talk to them regu...

Public lands in this country. >> what's most pressing on your mind? what's the first thing you want to attempt? >> well, the first things i want to attempt is our fear. i have a lot of compassion, even for that blogger who jumped at the opportunity to misrepresent ms. sherrod. >> do you? >> i have a lot of compassion, because i think as a whole we're not -- we don't have the tools within which to have a conversation about race in a real and meaningful way. one of the first things i'm interested in, how we create new frameworks of engagement. what does it mean to engage not just people differen...

She'll be really effective almost like the sarah palin strategy where she's supporting a lot of the female candidates on the republican side. if you pair michelle obama with a lot of women candidates she'll be very attractive with independent women who are critical of the democrats's chances of maintaining their majority in november. >> so you think we'll see the first lady campaigning? >> that's what everyone wants. i talked to the folks in the west wing. >> they're game to do it? >> they're game to do it. they're trying to convince her. she'll be off most of august, vacationing at martha's v...

Public highway because that applies to everybody. >> okay. >> the rest of the law is aimed only at one thing, and that's anti-immigrant. it's aimed at nothing else. >> luis vera jr. of lulac, thanks very much for coming on. unfortunately, we're out of time. that is a wrap of our live msnbc coverage. every 30 minutes for headline updates. bye. see you next weekend. presenting the cadillac "summer's best" sales event. a fantastic opportunity to get a great offer on a new cadillac cts sport sedan... ..the most acclaimed vehicle in its class and a car and driver 10 best third year in a row.