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Simulation. >> we do it with law enforcement and video training. you don't see it in ranger school but integral part of our training make killing response part of training. we have to do it. healthy people have to be trained to do and the video games do the same things to the kids. >> laura: ben, what i think about this, science or not, for young children to continually see images of heads exploding, chests opening up, you talked about the immorality of all of this. whether it's constitutional or not constitutional, maybe it as a societal we have to talk about what numbing ourselves to this ve...

Simulation. >> we do it with law enforcement and video training. you don't see it in ranger school but integral part of our training make killing response part of training. we have to do it. healthy people have to be trained to do and the video games do the same things to the kids. >> laura: ben, what i think about this, science or not, for young children to continually see images of heads exploding, chests opening up, you talked about the immorality of all of this. whether it's constitutional or not constitutional, maybe it as a societal we have to talk about what numbing ourselves to this ve...

You guys are frozen in that moment. that's why you bring up hillary clinton. >> that's not true. we don't care about her. nobody here talks about her. >> well, she has a clarification. >> okay. so she said nobody here, meaning in the white house, talks about her. so she says so fun to see the predictable heads exploding, but i should have finished that sentence. i don't have a question. i'm just mentioning that. i mean, look, a.b., they do talk about hillary clinton all the time. i've challenged kellyanne in the past to have an interview where she doesn't bring it up, and it was impossible, ac...

Chris stirewalt, editor here at fox news. katie, your thoughts. some people are saying heads are exploding and people are going way over on it and others are saying wait a second. maybe he didn't tell the truth in that statement. >> heads exploding seems to be a normal practice when it comes to responding to stories about russian president trump. the white house is putting out more information about the meetings with the russian ambassador to try and show this the normal process that took place during the transition with members of the campaign. part of a normal way to reach new relations with...

Chris stirewalt, editor here at fox news. katie, your thoughts. some people are saying heads are exploding and people are going way over on it and others are saying wait a second. maybe he didn't tell the truth in that statement. >> heads exploding seems to be a normal practice when it comes to responding to stories about russian president trump. the white house is putting out more information about the meetings with the russian ambassador to try and show this the normal process that took place during the transition with members of the campaign. part of a normal way to reach new relations with...