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Mueller says, that the president instructed don mcgahn to put a false statement in the file saying that he wasn't ordered to fire bob mueller. that is the completed crime of obstruction of justice right there. that right there. if rudy is saying, which he knows not to be true, if there is no underlying crime that is eventually charged, you can't obstruct justice during the investigation, that's blatant false. it happens all the time in white collar cases. there is an investigation and perhaps the person doesn't eventually get charged with what the investigators are looking into. along the way....

He needs political courage. what donald trump has done is helped through a series of terrible practices to erode democratic norms. mueller is trying to restore the integrity of those norms by following the law to the teeth and not wanting to violate anything. at some point you have to say, someone has to come in and save the day. he's the man with all the information. who else will do it? >> let's dig in on that a little bit, if you would. how do you distinguish between integrity and courage in this context? is courage being willing to take actions that are necessary but might cut against your...

85 objectivity. he is divorced from any political investments. that's not what we need. we need folks to say, what about the sake of the republic? what about we have very credible evidence that we have a man basically running a criminal enterprise from the white house and everyone is using the law as a reason to be cowards. we can't have it anymore. if mueller would step out of his comfort zone, well within the bounds of the law and say i think these men are making a mockery of our justice system. i think that's what american courage dictates. >> britney lays it out. when you hear a really goo...

People like don mcgahn and hope hicks. a new campaign is cutting against that by featuring some pretty credible republican voices including reagan republicans and gop appointed prosecutors who declare that donald trump committed crimes and they're running this ad on fox news. >> the mueller report makes a very strong case on obstruction of justice. >> were the president anybody other than the president, he would have been subject to indictment. >> the president asked don mcgahn to put a false document in the file saying that the president never ordered him to fire bob mueller. >> the goal is t...

And maybe to pursue things that weren't pursued more aggressively. but for democrats they thought were overreach. one thing the republican think have really prevailed in in the last ten years is the political figure of it all. so this was the repealing of obamacare over and over and over again every time that it failed. it gave them a sense that they were doing something. they were fighting. democrats have to get into the political theater of this. that they are turning over every stone and making sure there is deep integrity to the process. if other thing is, my friend made a really important...