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Did not come to his side or did not agree with them. and now seems to be changing that a bit. >> sounds like what you're saying is john mccain doesn't sound like he wants to work on these bills but from john mccain's statement in july before he voted no on the skinny repeal and now on this graham/cassidy is that what he wants to do is work on it but he wants to work on it through the regular order, through markups, through cbo report on how much it will cost, how many people will gain or lose coverage and go through the hearing process. mario, let me come to you. the republicans say, the ones ...

People to be loyal to that administration is to know that there is merit to the job that they are doing. that they are accomplishing something that's worthwhile and that's recognized as important to the administration and important to the country. but to do that, you have to have people in place. you've got to have supervision. you've got to have people who are willing to control what's going on in the various departments and agencies, and right now, that's a real problem, in terms of the discipline of this administration to take charge of their own administration. >> i think you make a really...

Like a christmas fib. but it is a fib. so when they talk about going to regular order, what they're talking about is working with democrats. a.b., if you work with democrats to get something on which there may be moderate democrats and moderate republicans that come along, you lose the freedom caucus. they're gone, right? >> not only do you lose your conservatives, you lose more time. look at the time they put into this. six months in. they wanted it done by august or week one as you and i can remember. but they're looking at an incredible time consuming process. if you talk about susan collin...

Problem that republicans have identified. number of people without insurance will go up, premiums will go up, costs will go up. the hearing process is a process that gets you a better product. but for republicans this is really about a bet. a bet that if they rush this through as quickly as possible people won't get to the bottom of how truly evil this bill is. they know this is an 'em bar raising product. they know this is going to hurt millions of americans and they hope that if they rush this thing through people won't have the time to figure it out. but they will. they already have. they k...

Period for considering this is so compressed that even at this late date, which we're told is less than a week before they will vote on it, there's no actual language of an actual bill. for people who don't care about congressional procedure and don't know how these things are normally done, why is the way they're doing its so materially important here? >> i think there's two answers to that question. the first is there is actually a practical benefit that comes from having open hearings. you hear from experts, you hear from people in the field. you have the chance to bounce your ideas off of ...