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Behaviors of paul manafort at the risk of spending the rest of his life in jail for a version that doesn't have him covering up something sinister. >> that's absolutely right and it's just what the congresswoman is saying. people lie for a reason. the reason is they can't disclose the truth. the lie has to be about criminality. rosalynn in the previous session talked about interviewing konstantin kilimnik and getting a statement from him and his statement was it was a meeting, it was just about old bills. that's so like the cover-up of the trump tower meeting. it's about the adoption of russia...

It's just what the congresswoman is saying. people lie for a reason. the reason is they can't disclose the truth. the lie has to be about criminality. rosalynn in the previous session talked about interviewing konstantin kilimnik and getting a statement from him and his statement was it was a meeting, it was just about old bills. that's so like the cover-up of the trump tower meeting. it's about the adoption of russian orphans. people lie about things for a reason. and that's what's going on here. >> liz, you mentioned pardons and that is something that actually comes up in the hearing transcr...

Jillian: the house until asked donald trump to declassify the document saying, quote, we respectfully request you declassify and release publicly and in an rejected form pages 10-12 along with all associated footnotes of the renewal of the fisa application on mister page. what will it take to make that happen? >> he has to intervene. rod rosenstein signed that. he was asked to release information that may reflect poorly on him. he would have to take himself out of the decision-making whether that material is released. the president should step in like he did last time, that resulted in part of...