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There was a plastic tarp on top of him. we could tell he was alive by heat sensor in the helicopter. we began negotiation that is way. we were finally able to get him surrender without anybody hurt. >> -- >> there was early gunfire when we first got in the area. there was gunfire with some of the officers and then we secured the scene and there was no more gunfire. >> what kind of weapon did he have? >> we don't know. that crime scene is still live down there. we don't know what's in that boat. there could be devices. >> the fbi is in charge of that? >> down at the scene, yes. >> did he have a...

Boat by the heat sensor. we began the negotiations that way. we were finally able to get him to surrender without anybody hurt. there was early gunfire when we got in the area. he exchanged gunfire with some of the officers at the scene. >> what kind of weapon did he have? >> we're not sure. that crime scene is still live down there. we don't know what's in that boat. there could be devices. >> the fbi is in charge of that? >> yes. >> did he have an explosive vest on his body like his brother did the night before? >> that was a major concern. that's why nobody wanted to go near him until we co...

And wounded and bleeding and obviously weak. you come over there and what do you say to him? you have a bull horn to say, come out with your hands up? >> we have a negotiator on the second floor of the house looking down at the boat. >> you could see him? >> no, we could not see him, because there was a plastic tarp over him, but we had the state police helicopter to tell us when there was movement in the boat by the heat sensor, so we could tell that he was alive and moving and we began the negotiations that way. and over a long period of time we were able to get him to surrender without any ...

Someone for a short time. so we were able to get him to stand up, and show us that he did not have a device on him. >> he is lying in the boat, and lying there for several hours and wounded and bleeding and obviously weak. you come over there and what do you say to him? you have a bull horn to say, come out with your hands up? >> we have a negotiator on the second floor of the house looking down at the boat. >> you could see him? >> no, we could not see him, because there was a plastic tarp over him, but we had the state police helicopter to tell us when there was movement in the boat by the h...

And secure it. we did take our time to make sure that everybody was safe in the neighborhood. eventually we had to use some flash bangs to render the subject -- >> tell the viewers what a flash bang is. >> it's a loud compression that would stun somebody for a short period of time. we began negotiations, slowly over a 15, 20-minute period we were able to get them to stand up and show us that he didn't have a device on him. >> he's lying in this boat. he's been there for several hours. he's wounded clearly. he's bleeding. >> he's obviously weak. you come over there. what do you say to him? you ...