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Atmosphere. it only went about 410 miles or so, but that didn't matter. it went 1,300 miles into the sky and when it came back down it simulated what would happen when a war head was launched at the united states and so it looks like they've got their heat shielding done. this is something they wouldn't know if they've been able to do. all they need to do is add a little bit more range to their longest range missiles and they can hold us to ran some. >> how do you think that this changes any diplomatic changes or efforts that have been taken over the last several months. >> >> i think what it ...

>> i think what the north koreans are trying to say is that all of those aircraft carriers that the u.s. is bringing into position, they're saying we can shoot down your planes. it was announced just a few days ago that the nimitz is being diverted. and you will have three aircraft carriers around north korea. they're saying we can shoot down your planes. >> this is a third sunday we've seen a missile test. they report the weapons system is improving because of defects that they witnessed last year. how concerned should we be about the enhancement of their military technology? >> well, they've...

It's a hold right now. >> shepard: practically speaking, i'm curious to find out what will happen if they make a sixth test. even the chinese have warned them. >> the chinese have and will pose more pressure on them. the ball is in president trump's court. north korea won't get the ability to land a nuke on u.s. he has three or four years to stop them. >> shepard: where do we get that number? >> that's the number of years it would take for north korea to develop the technology, the heat shielding to put a nuclear warhead on a ballistic missile. they have nukes for intermediate range missiles t...

Heat shielding for their longest range missiles. >> you've said off camera this could feasibly hit the lower 48. >> the new one, yes. it could probably reach someplace like seattle or so. we just don't know. at this point, we've got to be concerned that they are making much more progress than we've given them credit for. >> what would north korea want from the u.s. in order to de-escalate? >> north korea wants deterrence. it's unlikely that kim jong-un would give us his nuclears and missiles. but north korea is more than just kim jong-un. the regime is about 300 or so people. the one thing tha...

>> our understanding is, we've used cyber warfare. it could be responsible for the reason some of these have gone off course of late. what do we know? >> all we know is "the new york times" reporting. that is sort of sketchy. they didn't want to release a number of details, this is like what the united states and israel did against the iranian nuclear program. i mean, we destroyed and disabled their centrifuges. we did the same thing with their missiles. this gives us a little bit of time. four years from now, the north korean will have three missiles that will hit the lower 48. they already h...