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>> an actual, physical place? >> it's a physical place, yeah. it's not just a state of being. >> hell, says haggard, waits with absolute certainty for unbelievers everywhere. remember how carlton pearson told us even hitler would not be in hell? the question for haggard was about the famously peace loving and righteous non-christian gandhi. gandhi is in hell? >> if he -- there's only one -- >> gandhi knew about jesus, he didn't accept him as his savior, quite pointedly. >> yeah, then he's in hell. >> the scripture's perfectly clear about judgment. >> yes, sir, i relate to ted's hell. >> to car...

Varied interpretations of worship, theology and the bible. >> are you picking up the tales to tell the world there is no hell? >> from the kind of evangelical certainty, carlton had always believed before. to some christian churches that seemed prone to 1,000 doubts even as they celebrated the ancient ceremonies, all of them christians. so now carlton had come to his own radical conclusion about hell and decided he was going to preach it. that he had to. >> how dare we attach that horrendous creation of a customized torture chamber to the loving, merciful god whose mercy endured forever? >> an...

I would send hitler and a few people in my church if you want to know the truth. but i'm not god. he's the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not our sins only, but the sins of the whole world. >> privately, he told his father what he'd believed he'd learn. that his grandparents that had died in sin weren't in hell after all. >> when i was able to convince my father that his parents were not in hell, he lit up. i literally saw my father just change. i think he forgave god that day. if you can do such a thing. and i think i have forgiven him because he was killing too many of my people and send...

> and they died and they went to hell so far as we were concerned. you may have never had to say that, keith. my grandmother's in hell. >> it hurt. it was devastating. it made him angry. the point of your life was to keep people from hell. >> absolutely. it wasn't -- we didn't come here just to worship god. we came here to avoid his hell. >> and so, wounded now by the loss of his beloved grandparents, carlton, barely in his teens, bent to the task of saving souls from hell. >> everybody rushed to the altar to get saved or resaved or whatever it took. >> he was a kid who sparkled with promise. ...

Carlton had ever known. >> we have people who are in recovery from drugs and not recovering well in every situation. people who are homeless, imminently homeless, living with hiv. all worshiping together in the same place. >> even bishop flunder would be unwelcome in many churches. she's a lesbian. or, as she puts it, a same-gender loving person. >> the whole room was almost all gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual people. i mean, i had never been in a room full of almost 99% gay people, praising god and singing and dancing. >> carlton explained to them his new ideas about hell. his notion that...