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Referrals are coming in the next week or two. do you think we will be seeing a criminal referral for the former president? >> well, we've heard mixed messages on that, jim, but let me tell you as a former doj prosecutor the last thing i would want is a criminal referral from congress. here is why. it doesn't do anything for prosecutors. it doesn't help prosecutors in any way. they don't need a criminal referral. in fact, they're investigating donald trump right now. we know that. that's why they appointed a special counsel. here is what it does do. it gives donald trump a talking point. it all...

As well as the individuals that you said, the drivers or people who saw what was going on, and turning a blind eye to innocent young kids -- kids -- this is what we are talking about. let's not forget this. we are talking about young girls. and the thing about her as well, only four testified and only four were involved in this trial. there are many others out there, and i am hoping that as a result of what we have seen here, this guilty verdict, that those individuals will come forward, help prosecutors to bring some of these deviant individuals to justice. >> ted williams, thank you so much....

Operation by a pakistan-based terror organization. we'll talk about it first with our legal guys. avery friedman and richard herman are back with us as we debut our new set here in atlanta. >> yeah. >> we're going to talk about faisal shahzad in a big way. guys, good to see you. >> good to see you, fredricka. >> and you're in your usual places. richard, in new york, and avery, you in cleveland. >> the new set looks fabulous. >> next time you'll have to be here, too. >> you bet. >> let's talk about mr. shahzad because he has waived his attorney rights, but he keeps talking. so, richard, what ...