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Are helping mueller's case, are they? >> well, you know, it would be interesting to see. i would imagine that they would, but of course the mueller investigation itself is such a black box that it's difficult to see any reaction to any of the stuff that we've seen out there, don. but i tell you what struck me about these numbers when i first saw them. i was absolutely astonished that a still significant number of people, somewhere in the 35 to 40% range actually believe there is some sort of innocent narrative here, that there is some sort of explanation as to why or all these different ties g...

>> just yesterday we had two treasury officials implicated in criminal leaks of information. these guys were helping mueller in his operation, they are leaking financial information from the treasury department almost simultaneously is going back to comey he was not only fired but documents in the fbi files, leaked them and that led to the appointment of mueller so criminal activity leading to the appointment and rod rosenstein is compromised as well in the sense he is a witness to the investigation he appointed mueller to conduct. >> not unbelievable, you are looking at situations like this g...

Presidency is always the day after tomorrow and the day after that and the day after that. but you're right. i mean, an innocent person -- no one likes to be investigated. that's fair. but an innocent person wouldn't be thrown into a tailspin by an inquiry into what happened in the 2016 election. the fact that trump was so, so distraught about that is a big tell to what he knows and what hopefully robert mueller's finding out. >> and at the outset of the special prosecutor's investigation it was not specifically investigation of donald trump himself. so what did he have to be so upset about? >...

Something to be disturbed about when a special prosecutor was named. >> yeah, worst day for who, lawrence? i mean, definitely not the worst day for the american people when robert mueller was appointed. the worst day for the trump presidency is always the day after tomorrow and the day after that and the day after that. but you're right. i mean, an innocent person -- no one likes to be investigated. that's fair. but an innocent person wouldn't be thrown into a tailspin by an inquiry into what happened in the 2016 election. the fact that trump was so, so distraught about that is a big tell to w...

Should? >> no and here's why. mueller has charged and is prosecuting michael flynn for lying even though flynn told the truth. mueller doesn't care about the truth, he doesn't care about justice. so if the president sits down with mueller and tells the truth, mueller will tell the truth and say the president is lying. it doesn't matter what trump said. >> janine: but you can't indict the president, a sitting president. that's clear under the law, and decisions. so what are we doing here? >> i don't think the president should cooperate in helping mueller right has impeachment report, and as gre...