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Hundreds of thousands of people were killed, was a single, working mother at a time when very few people were doing that in profession, anthropology and international development in which men had traditionally dominated, so he had a very unusual parenting experience. i think one of -- in answer to your question, one of the interesting things that i stumbled upon in indonesia, write went several times during the course of working on this was the notion that there was something almost javanese about our president. this is a view you hear from indonesians, that having gone to school at a critical...

>> no. we're still trying to learn more about that. that has been from when we talked to officials on sunday night, they said he resisted but there was no more detail than that. and it did come out today that he was never armed, so we are trying to find out how he may have resisted. >> do we know if he knew that the special forces were working their way up to his top floor? was he aware that he was about to get caught? >> well, presumably. he was a highly intelligent person. and one would have assumed that with an intense firefight going on, and it's confirmed he was killed toward the end of t...