At a party and say, by the way, none of this will remember this. it's a total secret. >> i'm a reporter, so i have conversations like that all the type. >> carter page is not a reporter, so it's not off the record. you don't go to a bunch of people at a party and say, let's agree we never talked about this. in other words, he's hiding something. >> what this serves up for me is what my mama told me when i was a young boy. when you open your conversation with a lie, you're going to end it with a lie because you're going to not remember the first lie you told. >> yeah. >> so that's how you wind ...