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Development, biotech, high tech comes from those private investors and why not bring american money back to create those jobs rather than borrowing the trillion dollars from china to try to do it a different way? >> you know your stuff here. let's bore down on this. basic research. the president argues that basic research needs federal money. yes of course it's commercial applied later. do you accept that argument? >> i think it's the seeds that are able to grow in another field but both have to work the other. the trouble is right now we think about all of the private sector money isn't there...

Same thing, i hoped the audience noticed that the bags this time one was in red and one was in black so you could see we versed it that's the idea. it may an a magazine or briefcase or something like that. >> now, with all due respect, and you have some other items here, this seems very 1950. i mean, is this really what's going on in the high tech age? >> okay. just a couple of quick comments. these things that they were using is classic espionage spy craft. but if they are doing it under the eyes of the best counter surveillance outfit in the world, the fbi, it's going to be transparent. they...

Same thing, i hoped the audience noticed that the bags this time one was in red and one was in black so you could see we versed it that's the idea. it may an a magazine or briefcase or something like that. >> now, with all due respect, and you have some other items here, this seems very 1950. i mean, is this really what's going on in the high tech age? >> okay. just a couple of quick comments. these things that they were using is classic espionage spy craft. but if they are doing it under the eyes of the best counter surveillance outfit in the world, the fbi, it's going to be transparent. they...

Same thing, i hoped the audience noticed that the bags this time one was in red and one was in black so you could see we versed it that's the idea. it may an a magazine or briefcase or something like that. >> now, with all due respect, and you have some other items here, this seems very 1950. i mean, is this really what's going on in the high tech age? >> okay. just a couple of quick comments. these things that they were using is classic espionage spy craft. but if they are doing it under the eyes of the best counter surveillance outfit in the world, the fbi, it's going to be transparent. they...

Government has refused to do it you want to send the military. >> bill: that's not the wrong answer, it's the temporary answer. it stops the bleeding literally. you can't have ranchers being shot on their own property. >> i agree with you. the it's use of the wrong instrument. we started with the bush administration. built a third of it as you said secretary napolitano has announced the cancellation of a 50-million-dollar program on the virtual fence which was always a boondoggle, always absurd. why do you need censors and high tech stuff. you get a chain link, conner is teen know wire. it wor...