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>> no, legally not. mike, you and i talked, you and i came from i think similar religious conditions. we understand the generalized use of the word "torture." but what we had to rely on here, as a part of the next, was, did it or did it not meet the legal definition of torture? and pike, once you got to, it does not quite meet the legal definition then you got to ask the question, is it effective and appropriate in the circumstances in which we found ourselves and the circumstances in which we found ourselves were 3,000 dead countries. >> so you were with the nsa from 1999 to 2005, you were th...

There should not be partisan politics as a part of understanding and appreciating how to create transparency with the federal government and the american people, having multiple reports does not get that done. >> senior, thank you very much for being on the show the morning. still ahead, we will join the likes of gand ghandi as "time's" person of the year t.ancier is next. . -- the answer is next. ♪ my baby drove up in a brand new cadillac.... ♪ ♪ look here, daddy, i'm never coming back..... ♪

About -- and, you know, we often did not i think fully show exactly what they do. >> well, it's an interesting problem. it's like we paid attention to the story at exactly the wrong times. the attention needed to be paid early on. instead, it sort of -- epidemic was able to spread. so our story really highlights people -- many of them on the ground in places like liberia, sierra leone, who started early and started fighting this disease. it's important to remember we as a world are very capable of fighting and containing infectious diseases. the fact this epidemic has gotten out of control is ...

The 20 cases and not a single case holds up. actionable intelligence, that was quote otherwise unavailable, otherwise unavailable, was not obtained using these coercive interrogation techniques. >> okay. let's start with david ignacious in washington. you say, david, this was necessary to release for public accounting, but what about national security? >> well, let's take the first part first. i found the report absolutely devastating to read. we have known about these techniques. we have known about the chapter in american life but to see what it felt like for a young medical officer observin...