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Using and abusing the pardoning power, and i certainly think it is the only way to explain what roger stone did tonight, which is to say on tv over and over again, oh, trump knew nothing about it, trump didn't do anything wrong he is really trying to curry favor. by the way, brian, that's exactly what the president invited. back in december he tweeted, oh, look at roger stone holding firm unlike those rats like michael cohen and the like this is all a signal >> and one more question for us civilians. what should we make of the fact that he was never brought in before mueller's people just arre...

Television, can you believe as alleged this much was going on during our campaign for president? >> you know, it's stunning and i think the point you're making is a very good one. we can talk and prosecutors of course like to talk about technical aspects of crime what are the elements we have to prove with admissible evidence beyond a reasonable doubt? there's also a political catalog includ calculus here. that means there should be a form of accountability on capitol hill and they should look at these crimes threw their filter as well as the legal one >> as a counterintel guy, how do you view...

Financing, what now occupies the president's time starting this weekend? twitter not included, and going into next week >> it's a good question, brian the president had been postponing a number of agenda items and sort of getting this third-year of his president launched to deal with the shutdown and to be honest, i think he's going to be focused over the next three weeks on figuring out a way to secure some sort of funding for the wall and to save face there's a three-week deadline here of february 15th when congress will have to pass longer term spending bills there's a promise for a confere...

Breath mint commercial number two, from politico, president nancy pelosi, who runs the country now, said a second former white house official. we went from indefinite shutdown to down payment to cave, all within a span of 24 hours. that official said that trump's core supporters and former aides are furious and melting down jonathan, when that quote comes from somebody on the home team, you got troubles >> absolutely, brian it's totally right there is a complete capitulation there should be some sort of visual representation to the walls of jericho falling down. this is a cave by the president...

But i was a hopeful reporter teamed up with him brian, i just want to flag and give you credit for that intro about the nixon foundation, how weird a world is it where nixon needs to separate himself from roger stone. >> well, from the grave. >> that's how bad roger is so about the relationship. what i found fascinating about reporting that story with manuel was the idea that the president and then the candidate was in the middle of the night calling roger one of the dirtiest tricksters you can find, a person who habitually lies and spins to work his magic to help his candidates and to truly h...