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Rosenstein to sign-off on the probe before getting trump's tax returns. legally do you think mueller can make the case if necessary? >> make the case for what? make the case to figure out if donald trump somehow has an irs or irs statement or tax return that indicates his involvement of the nature of a criminal probe of collusion, you could make it that way. on the other hand, if it's making the case in the sense of does this information show the person has the incentive to engage in collusion, or he can follow wherever the investigation leads, things that arise from or may arise out the over ...

Of course mueller and his team. they do have the upper hand. manafort is not in an elect position or unique position to be able to hold the cards and call the shots. not if you're going back 11 years in financial crimes and not if mueller has the ability investigate it. >> let's talk about these tax returns. as pam pointed out mueller would have needed the deputy ag rosenstein to sign-off on the -- before getting trump's tax returns. legally do you think mueller can make the case if necessary? >> make the case for what? making the case to figure out if donald trump somehow has an irs or irs st...

Certainly ask him to cooperate in the investigation. what they have is leverage. could they capitalize on? but if mueller's only other evidence here is leverage, then he doesn't have much of a case. but if what he has is financial information that says a member of the campaign and, remember paul manafort was a chairman of the campaign at one point in time, then that will justify the probe he's asking. >> we're told one of the questions roger stone would not answer in his testimony today was the name of the person who got him information from julian assange during the campaign. you interviewed ...

Questions roger stone would not answer in his testimony today was the name of the person who got him information from julian assange during the campaign. you interviewed stone. you asked him the same question. i want to play that. >> july 21st, wikileaks tweets they've got the goods on hillary. i'd like to know if this is true. i've asked a friend that's a journalist, who has interviewed and has a relationship with him. and he comes back and says, yes, it's confirmed and they'll probably release the information in october. which is what i said. >> who's the journalist? >> i'm not going to say....

Information on several people involved in the trump campaign including michael flynn a former national security advisor. and we're told by sources the irs initially had reservations as what were seen as far reaching requests. in the case of manafort the scope included possible tax and financial crimes dating back to january of 2006, ten years before the russian meddling of the presidential election last fall, don. >> so, pamela, your reporting also indicates this centers on the july raid of manafort's home. tell me about that. >> that's right. we learned there was tension of the irs and the fb...