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>> okay. let's look at that, don. let's look at that, and look at what officer darren wilson said hisself. he said that when he pulled up to him, he saw two teenagers to get out of the street, and they turned him down. then he, him and bob cull la said that he was reacting to to a strong arm ed robbery, right? >> i have a short amount of time, so quickly sxlchlt no p q >> no problem. no problem. the chief of police said that he had no idea that the robbery had been committed and then to officer darren wilson said that he felt like a 5-year-old when i gr grabbed his arm, and so that means that ...

It's because -- i mean, kids are going to be kids. and we've all been children. we all done said things the because other children are saying it or whatever. that was never taught in our home. and i never, ever heard him use those words. >> do you have any doubt about what happened? >> i have no doubt that he didn't start that fight. he didn't start the fight. what i'm saying is that he did -- it was a fight. there's no doubt it was a fight. and zimmerman had to put his hands on him to cause that fight. he was defending hisself. so for people to say, well, he tried to kill him and he this, he ...

And we've all been children. we all done said things the because other children are saying it or whatever. that was never taught in our home. and i never, ever heard him use those words. >> do you have any doubt about what happened? >> i have no doubt that he didn't start that fight. he didn't start the fight. what i'm saying is that he did -- it was a fight. there's no doubt it was a fight. and zimmerman had to put his hands on him to cause that fight. he was defending hisself. so for people to say, well, he tried to kill him and he this, he that, i don't think anyone would have been standing...

We are live in cleveland, hisself. if just a short time from now ariel castro will make his first court appearance to face kidnapping and rape charges. the details surfacing today are beyond comprehension. we're going to have the very latest for you. death is the ultimate freedom. shocking from jodi arias. and emotional and politically charged testimony about the night the consulate was attacked in benghazi. welcome back to this special edition of "early start." i'm john berman in new york. >> nice to see you, john. i'm zoraida sambolin. i'm live in cleveland, ohio. and we have new developme...