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With the present? >> allegedly, by end. >> and when donald trump called her investigation a witch hunt, that was also false, was it not? >> i would like to think so, yes. >> your investigation is not a witch hunt? >> it is not a witch hunt. >> when he said the russian interference was a hoax, that was false, wasn't it? >> true. >> when he said it publicly, that it was false? >> he did say publicly that it was false, yes. >> and when he told it to putin, that was false too, wasn't it connect >> that, i'm not familiar with >> when the president said he had no business dealings with russia, that ...

That kind of argument. >> are you concerned now that paul manafort could say that a promised pardon was hinted at. or the pardon was dangled during the joint defense agreement? >> i doubt that. i think the president was pretty care in what he said and how he said and what was said in public. so i don't think that's a real concern. i think the concern is putting together information that the prosecutor knows about but can't connect. we have to remember again, that collusion is not a crime, conspiracy is a crime, but conspiracy requires knowledge. and it's also possible that manafort was always ...

From the top. and it is -- lead by example and a lot of examples are excessive spending and suggesting that the rules don't apply. but i think one thing that we can't discount is that in it all of this, it coincides with repeal and replace and the failure of repeal and replace. so i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this and a lot of what donald trump is really upset about the optics, it connect connected back to the fact that repeal and replace fails at the exact same time that it comes out that price is part of the swamp. so he's not only -- it is only about the excessive use and not drainin...

What's your take away from that as far as him showing up as a witness? >> i think there is an interesting thing. we also know that michael flynn is apparently refusing to testify in front of the congress. i think that we're starting to see progress being made in this. the question still is, where will the -- will there be criminal charges. look, you have this question of money laundering with be sort of these traditional sort of white-collar crimes. but do they intersect with russia? do they intersect with the 2016 election? at the end of the day, that's what the american public wants to know....

Not true. they told us if you liked your doctors you could keep them. not true. they told us if you liked your health plan you could keep it. not true. obamacare has failed the people of kentucky and failed the people of america and obamacare must go. [ applause ] >> let's bring back in the conversation, arrow lewis, and sarah westwood, white house correspondent with the washington examiner. arrow, to you first, not much new in the speech. was this likely enough to sell to the audiences intended what he went to do? >> probably not to the 300,000 kentuckians served, he would have gotten a diffe...