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Made news is the concept of kind of the darker part of the world of the clintons, the hit lists, the idea that bill clinton, the former president, sort of settling scores, clearing field before there might be a run, jonathan. >> yeah, so the clinton aides during the 2008 campaign kept a list of the people who had been treacherous and over the course of the 2010, 2012 election cycles bill clinton went out on the campaign trail and knocked some of these guys out that they didn't like. >> how so? >> so he went and supported other democrats in primaries against them, and we go through a series of ...

>> i don't like that. >> what happened to him? >> i can't blame the clintons. >> you have claire mccaskill, rob andrews. >> how about bill richardson? >> jane rockefeller. what do you make of this? >> it could be better, actually. it's not that good of a hit list. there's other people she could be on there. i think it's no surprise. she's a crafty pop titian. if you want to be president, you have to be able to play ball. i'm not advocating hit lists, per se, but she has a stomach for politics, put it that way. no one can question this woman is soft. going to say that. >> the sevens because it'...

>> i don't like that. >> what happened to him? >> i can't blame the clintons. >> you have claire mccaskill, rob andrews. >> how about bill richardson? >> jane rockefeller. what do you make of this? >> it could be better, actually. it's not that good of a hit list. there's other people she could be on there. i think it's no surprise. she's a crafty pop titian. if you want to be president, you have to be able to play ball. i'm not advocating hit lists, per se, but she has a stomach for politics, put it that way. no one can question this woman is soft. going to say that. >> the sevens because it'...

Intelligence committee, closed meeting, he did tell them what the nsa was doing. never expecting to be asked that in public, then you're letting the enemy know what we're doing and capable of. he would say it is technically accurate, nsa doesn't keep track of names, address. all it lists are phone calls made, doesn't say who made them, what their address is, the content of the call. he's in a situation where he was not expecting that question because they already knew what the answer was. if he saw everything publicly, he was in a difficult decision. >> even so, under sworn testimony you're ex...

And yemen. his extraordinary involvement is detailed in a new book. by a special correspond to "newsweek." he leaves meetings and dinners with his family and others to go over these hit lists. how unusual is that, in your experience? >> well, i think it's very unusual. there's obviously precedent for presidents getting involved in targeting. everyone knows the stories about lbj, but since the war on terror began, as involved as george w. bush was, he was not deciding individual cases in as systematic a way as barack obama has been doing since he's been in office. one thing i think is important...