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They face down these this terrible act of violence. bill: just 30 minutes ago he called it a terrible act of violence as you just mentioned there. and now you call it terror. what changed in 30 minutes josh? >> well you know, bill this is still something we're looking into. i know the french president has called this an act of terror. it does seem to be exactly what this is. and again this is an act of violence against innocent civilians. and this is newspaper that has been tar petted in the past and -- targeted in the past. we're still waiting to see actually who is responsible for this what ...

Other instances of islamic terror this way it wouldn't be such a big deal. this is their playbook. radical islamic terror, act of jihad, their knee-jerk to call it act of violence. >> workplace violence, fort hood, akbar stood up, blew away 1, 14 people. depending how you count, could be up to 14 people. that was clearly, a work by an islamic terrorist who had ties to an imam here in virginia. same thing happens here they sand you. they yell "allahu akbar!." they ask people their names. they're looking for two. looking for editor and two cartoonists who put up cartoons of the prophet. blew tho...

Matter of weeks. so we need to take this as a warning sign. >> all right. richard goodstein, i kind of understand the president's point. leaked e-mails do not kill people, but it can ruin lives and businesses. can you call something -- can you call it terror if it's based on say the idea that it scares you? >> look, vandalism obviously as rick kind of made the point kind of suggests something more trivial than what this is. but it's not war as we know it either. it's not 9/11. it's not pearl harbor. there was not massive loss of life. do we have the potential through cyber terrorism and the cy...

Matter of weeks. so we need to take this as a warning sign. >> all right. richard goodstein, i kind of understand the president's point. leaked e-mails do not kill people, but it can ruin lives and businesses. can you call something -- can you call it terror if it's based on say the idea that it scares you? >> look, vandalism obviously as rick kind of made the point kind of suggests something more trivial than what this is. but it's not war as we know it either. it's not 9/11. it's not pearl harbor. there was not massive loss of life. do we have the potential through cyber terrorism and the cy...

Some people were on it. rob lowe. any chance i get to say his name and see a picture. >> an ugly man. >> okay, rob lowe. >> skinnies isn't he? >> what do you think about this? rob lowe saying wow, everyone caved. the hackers won. an utter and complete victory for them. would you. >> he's absolutely right. >> jimmy kimmel "an unamerican act of cowardice avows these terrorist actions and sets a terrifying precedent." he's right on the money i think >> yes, absolutely. >> i was watching jenn saki on cnn, she couldn't bring herself to call it cyber terrorism. she was asked is it cyber terrorism an...