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Convenient for the united states on a number of grounds? this new documentary, we can get really specific and i think scarily specific many terms of what exactly they thought they were going to be able to get out after roo rearranged world with iraq off the chess board. i think they thought they could do anything they wanted. why not do it? they were wanton in the way they would use american force in a way that couldn't cost anything. >> winston churchill said there's two kinds of success, initial and ultimate. we can go into any world, knock them over, take over the country. holding it, conve...

Like this? >> you've got two things going on at once. you've got putin bashing and obama bashing coming from these people. >> oh, i seattle. >> and they're not exactly clear which one they want to bash more. give me one personal note. i grew up in the segregated south. i voted twice for obama as an act of historic justice. but he hasn't conducted himself well on the russian matter. we need to find a way to stop this because the next step that is being pushed by people like kristol and the others is to move nato forces to the western border of poland. >> yeah. >> the polish -- excuse me, the po...

After rearranging world with iraq off the chessboard. i think they thought they could do anything they wanted. why not do it? they were wanton in the way they would use american force in a way that couldn't cost anything. >> winston churchill said there's two kinds of success, initial and ultimate. we can go into any world, knock them over, take over the country. holding it, converting it, leading it. what made them think they could do that to iraq? >> in some ways i think the answer we've come up to to why we did it helps us understand that. part of what they wanted to do was get into iraq in...

Michael isikoff and david corn's reporting about what was false about the case they made to the public. the way we talk about that, now, at least in the last few years, some people still try to make the case, oh, the administration didn't know it was a false case or they were only inadvertently telling lies about what was going on in iraq. we proved in "hubris" they made a mistake. if it wasn't what they told us, why did we have to go? we had the reporting from ron suskind, day wanted to go regardless of 9/11, before 9/11. if we're ever going to reckon with the legacy of that war, and what hap...

Test. >> in terms of the fighting, barbara, we talked to frederik pleitgen in kabul, that it may be over, the main offensive at least, within a few days time. does that suggest to some degree the taliban are melting into the general population? what would that mean for the long term? >> this has always been the taliban strategy. when u.s. troops come into their area, they fight a little and then they melt away. they move somewhere else, to go somewhere else and fight another day. i don't think that is unexpected. i think that's clearly happening. and what general joulwan was saying, if you ask...