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This is under investigation i would rather talk about keeping the border secure or i would rae rather talking talk about the trip we just took. they don't need to go out and say this is normal. it's not normal. it's never happened before. not this way. again, at the end of the day, there may be -- maybe it was just that jared was naive. fine. but don't go out and say something that's not true. you can say, again, listen, the investigators will get to the bottom of this. i know jared. i like jared i trust jared. but i can't really talk about that. they didn't do that. they went out and played s...

From this president who careens from one crisis to another, they could sort of impose some governing on him, this idea -- >> they would have to know how to do that in order to impose it. >> well, okay, you keep -- you're asking josh something that is actually -- it's strange you're asking josh that when i think you know the answer better. i know i certainly do. >> what is the answer? >> well, jared has been seen because jared was a moderating influence on his father-in-law. he attempted to be a moderating influence on his father-in-law. and it worked many times. and ivanka tried to be a modera...

Respected men in the military, who has now been sent out several times to say things that aren't accurate and that make him look like less the man and less the general that he is. and general kelly as well. what great service to this country. why are they doing donald trump's bidding. >> there will always be things you disagree with. and you rationalize it in your head. i think the balance is increasingly skewed. really good men with impeccable careers are being asked to do things and increasingly the argument is then it's time to go. it's too much of a price. you don't want to represent stuff...

>> right. >> he did bring in flynn and pushed flynn to the point -- >> that's not -- that's actually not correct, mika. >> he did. >> that's not correct. >> he argued flynn to the bitter end. >> donald trump decided he was going to have flynn in. he had flynn traveling around with him. nobody was going to stop donald trump from bringing flynn in. >> and jared kushner was next to him saying -- >> and ivanka, too. >> they confirmed that. you could look, harold ford, and i'm not carrying jared's case here, but you could certainly look at what happened in saudi arabia. you could look at some of th...

>> prince jared. >> -- as they would call him inside, you have six people piling on here. it is lord of the flies in the rest wi west ring rig west wing right now. >> no one wants to go to war publicly with jared. he's still the president's son-in-law, works steps from the oval office. at the same time, there is a grumbling. you hear it from many aides within the white house and within the broader administration that kushner, at some days, is the shadow secretary of state, it seems, to them. other days it seems to be the director of trade for the administration. he has his fingerprints on so m...