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>> bill: what about the honesty factor when the president is maybe good bureaucrats but simply not honest. i'm not just signaling out mr. clinton there are plenty of presidents who weren't honest. >> yeah. i think people who are across the board dishonest, obviously are a problem. i do tend to think that people lie when they get caught cheating on their lives. when it becomes pathological, however, then i think you have to get concerned. and in the situation with anthony weiner, i think it has veered into that area. >> bill: yeah, it's a very -- look, but we're in new york here. new york city ...

Problems. obama beats him by 45 points on the question of likable and easy going. this is more important. caring about average people, obama beats romney by 12 points, more than double digits. on being honest, straightforward, obama is ahead of romney by 11 points. i don't think the the performance by ryan last night helped the honesty factor either at all. we'll be getting to that later to show. howard, you're shaking your head. the honesty thing. i didn't think that would show up that high. >> i didn't either. i think he can forget about the likability number. mitt romney is not overnight or...