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Overhaul of our prison culture? >> oh, it -- this is the thing of it, talk about it today and possibly next week. i can pretty much guarantee you, nothing will be done. there will be a knee-jerk reaction because, you know, the money doesn't want to be allocated. these prison guards, the correction officers, they do a heck of a job. but essentially, they are paid to be in jail. they sleep at home when the bad guys sleep in a bunk. we have to ask ourselves the question, these two are on the honor block. how do you kill a police officer, how do you chop somebody up in pieces and you're allowed an...

Who i believe has new information for us, if you can hold on, jeffry. adam? >> reporter: i just want to add to the conversation that you're having regarding the situation at the jail and how they will once again look at the rules and regulations. we know they were no longer shaping lights in the cells because the prisoners said, you know, we are trying to sleep if you shine a light in our cell every hour, we just can't sleep. they stopped shining lights and also allowed not to have their heads showing. they were allowed to sleep with the covers over their head because they said it was just too...

Anything, if he has any incentives at all. >> right. >> what -- i guess -- my question is there is no upside for him, no matter what. i guess to get those little gave othe -- favors of a hot plate or something? ? >> how he got into the honor block is beyond me at this point. he is not even going to get that there are guideline issues at that particular prison. the only thing he has going for him right now, wherever he goes, he is going to be a rock star in that particular prison. that subculture is very -- it is a set culture. based on your crime and what you did is how high you are in that su...

He's warm, they give him food i they're nice to him. even though he may have been a murderer before, may have been in jail he's coming from a miserable environment into an environment where they can control that interview him. i think he has everything to gain by talking. i disagree with the one previous -- >> inmate. >> -- inmate that was talking. i think he has egg to gain by talking. he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail regardless. >> it can affect the conditions that he stays. >> he's going to be in isolation or segregation for the rest of his incarceration assuming he pulls th...

One cell door to the other, now, you know, how it's going to be for the next year or two, it's going to be, of course, lockdown. but again, maybe because of this, the whole system changes and they can start taking the right levels of inmates with the right levels of inmates and justifying some of this stuff. >> i want to bring back arthur roderick. arthur, do you think that we're likely to see some prison reform nationwide as a result of this? >> well, i definitely think you're going to see some prison reform in new york. you know, obviously, i think the inspector general in new york is alread...