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The budget cuts have affected one position. just to be clear in this situation. let's talk about the honor block and the fact that these guys were on the honor block, richard matt who has killed two people. should privileges like that where they have a lot more loose access to things more interaction with guards -- should prison access be suffered to less people frankly, that are in these prisons? >> frankly, i think that's something you have to look very closely at. that's a really important point you've brought up. you have to look at the conduct of the individual when they're outside. once ...

Reason and we have to follow certain due process in order to start reading inmates' mail. >> understood. let's talk about the honor block, where richard matt ended up where you have a lot more sort of privilege to walk around the facility more freely more interaction with the guards and other staff at the prison there, more privileges on what you can take in and out of your cell ability to cook in your cell have a hot plate, et cetera et cetera. do you think that that should be reassessed for some of these people with very very serious convictions like murder convictions? >> well looking at th...

For a lockdown and albany gave them a partial lockdown. what they did not do is isolate the honor block. this was a riot that took place amongst 30 individuals. one person was hurt and no weapons involved. and, interesting, the superintendent would want something more complete and only got what amounts to a partial lockdown. and again, no indication that they would have found these holes. >> right. >> there are huge security lapses. he's going to have the most to answer to in all of this. >> to your point, in hindsight. deborah feyerick, thanks very much. this fourth of july as all of us are...

He doesn't stand out because of his crime. we have other individuals that killed ten, 15 people. we have individuals that have dismembered a body and carried around a head in a bowling ball bag for a week. you can't weigh that. he did have good behavior more than six months and he was allowed on the honor block. again, what he writes to family or friends, if it is found by them before the attempt, that would have been great. but, the timing wasn't good for us. >> let's talk about the changes taking place at clinton correctional. some of the new security regulations. weekly cell wall inspection...

It's unclear whether anybody from the honor block was involved in the riot that took place. >> but effectively, and i'm just going to assume for a moment, that hacksaw that came in in the frozen meat would have been in one of their cells. >> correct. absolutely correct. these cells, it's prison policy. there's a directive that you are supposed to refer to which means that inmates' cells -- you have to do a cell frisk. this is to happen a couple of times a week, various cells. you mix it soup nobody knows when their cell will be frisked. the second thing is, you're supposed to do a security ins...