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Both of these guys fit that criteria. you have this guy, matt, who literally put a screwdriver through the ear of his boss, a 73-year-old guy, and then dismembered him after he tortured him, and this guy sweat, who you've been saying, shot a deputy sheriff over and over and ran over him with a car. these guys should not have been in the position where they were able to act as any of the benefits from the honor program. and when i first saw the department of corrections, two weeks ago they said, well, they haven't had any complaints, therefore they were on the honors program. and after they tho...

Had made their way to the honor program at clinton correctional facility although it is my guess that they will probably not -- he will probably not be back in the honor program. he's going to be in the shu and the shu is special housing unit and that's not as pleasant. >> a safe bet. as far as the other prison guards at the clinton correctional facility those who might have had something to do with the escape even inadvertently, they're probably pretty nervous right now. >> they're incredibly nervous, but my guess is this. talk about cooperation. now, this escaped inmate is one thing. prison ...

Everything that went on including the allegation. >> all right. the allegation of the sexual relationship between joyce mitchell and i don't care if it was matt or sweat or both of them. once the complaint was made, even though it wasn't proven, how do you prove it? do you have to have a video? shouldn't one of them have been moved out of this honor program? >> absolutely. that's the entire purpose of the central monitoring cases because the administrator, the chief of investigations, because with the stroke of a pen can say, you know what, as a precaution, we're going to move one or both of t...

That should have been looking at everything that went on inuding the allegation. >> all right. the allegation of the sexual relationship between joyce mitchell and i don't care if it was matt or sweat or both of them. once the complaint was made, even though it wasn't proven, how do you prove it? do you have to have a video? shouldn't one of them have been moved out of this honor program? >> absolutely. that's the entire purpose of the central monitoring cases because the administrator, the chief of investigations, because with the stroke of a pen can say, you know what, as a precaution, we're...

That should have been looking at everything that went on including the allegation. >> all right. the allegation of the sexual relationship between joyce mitchell and i don't care if it was matt or sweat or both of them. once the complaint was made even though it wasn't proven how do you prove it? do you have to have a video? shouldn't one of them have been moved out of this honor program? >> absolutely. that's the entire purpose of the central monitoring cases because the administrator, the chief of investigations because with the stroke of a pen can say, you know what as a precaution we're go...