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We've seen what happened in east anglo. i think that it is a gimmick. >> there are people who question -- there are people who question the evolution and doesn't mean there is evolution. >> chris, wait a second. so we're supposed to take scientists who have a fiduciary interest to benefit for some of their grants. >> this is party line. >> no this is not party line. no, i have researched this. why should we take hook line and sinker what some environmentalists have said about climate change. why not an honest debate. >> because the weather in boston right now over the last amount of x-years is...

>> no this is not party line. no, i have researched this. why should we take hook line and sinker what some environmentalists have said about climate change. why not an honest debate. >> because the weather in boston right now over the last amount of x-years is the same in philadelphia. getting warmer and warmer. >> and sure warm here on the east coast. we had blizzards. one of the coldest winters record but let me answer -- >> you are discrediting yourself, ron. >> actually ron reagan, i'm actually making my point. it was one of the coldest winters that we've had on record. >> making up a poi...

>> of course i really challenge it. i think you've had -- we've seen what happened in england where they discredited the scientific research of these people. think it's a gimmick. >> there are people that question -- there are people who question evolution. that doesn't mean there isn't evolution. >> chris, wait a second. we're supposed to take sint scientists who have a fiduciary interest -- >> this is party line. >> this isn't party line. why should we take hook line and sinker what environmentalists have said about global climate change? why don't we have an honest debate? >> because the we...

All of the things in these many, many books he sent up here. doesn't mean he'll get them. >> the saying is the president proposes and congress disposes. we're going to look carefully at what he proposes and our bosses, the members of congress will make independent judgment as congress does. they will not buy all of this hook line and sinker. >> reporter: t.j., that gives you a sense of what's going on in this office. this is an important office. but it is the office of the staff director of the house budget committee. but things like this, this is going on all over. members of congress and the...