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Them. they didn't know anything about it. if they knew something about it, they were either excluded from the jury or they had to promise to put aside what they new. this is exactly the opposite. not only do they know a whole bunch, but they have been talking about it incessantly so it's an interesting dynamic. >> and as the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell stated explicitly that he does not care about this constitutional process. he thumbed his nose at the way this is supposed to proceed. there is the irony that you just described. but this is supposed to proceed in a particular sort o...

Joyce vance, our contributor here, called it throwing spaghetti against the wall. i wonder if you feel like any of those attacks landed. did they make any arguments yesterday that give you any concern or pause that they may actually make the public skeptical of this process? >> i really think if anybody in the public, and i would say to all of your viewers right now, look at the facts and look at the transcripts. do not get distracted by the noise and the obstruction that the republicans are throwing up because the reason we returned to fact after fact after fact for everything that they put o...

That the aid was being withheld, they started to inquire on the day that the president conditioned it in the phone call an enwhat we saw over and over again yesterday was the democrats cite that fact and then republicans repeatedly say the ukrainians didn't know and disregarding that fact. so again, just to distill this. we are seeing two things. unfair process, republicans are about to control that process. and two, that the facts that are being laid out are really not facts. >> i think heidi brings into focus a feature, not a bug, of the proceedings that on the facts they're corroborated by ...

It's not about the past, it is about the future, it's about the 2020 election. we haven't spent a lot of time talking about that. and i think it provided the kind of argument that the democrats needed that brought some clarity to the conversation about what the president did, his obstruction of congress and blocking witnesses and blocking documents, his clear abuse of power. and what he was trying not just to do to hold the ukrainian president and government hostage because they needed military assistance, but also what he did to jeopardize united states' national security interests. and so th...

Of the republican party in defending this president is to claim unfairness in the process, to allege that there wasn't been due process, to say things like kangaroo court, when the committees have been using rules that the republicans themselves created when they were in the majority and where as i think representative lofgren did yesterday, is really provide a history lesson of how the process here has not been inconsistent or somehow vastly different from the clinton impeachment -- >> which she was a part of. >> which she was a part of and nixon during watergate. going back to the point abou...