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The russians hacked the u.s. they, quote, would have gotten caught because they say they're professionals. trump arguing that was a good point and the account may matter to mueller because it offers clues to trump's state of mind at the very time he took another action to the probe dictating his son's misleading statement about the trump tower meeting. take this all together and let's take a breath when we do it. you don't have to be a professional investigator to see the linkages here. this new report tonight is that trump was coordinating with putin on putin's defense of election hacking whi...

Things, i can say this, he is doing things that have any other person did them they would be charged. >> mueller is looking at, okay, if he can't indict the president, who else knew about this? he charged 19 russians with being conspirators in an attack on our democracy, co-conspirators are americans who were involved in the trump campaign. he has ways of getting to those folks. trump, you look at his motives. he calls this reporter on air force one. he ginned up that lie about what happened with the meeting at trump tower but the same flight is saying i don't believe the russians meddled with...

Trump playing to believe vladimir putin over them. >> it's unbelievable. that's where i'm going to leave that. >> and these actions on the hill affirm the last point paul made. >> i'm going to fit in a break. michael steele comes back. coming up, the other big story in the shutdown, speaker pelosi playing hardball tells donald trump no state of the union until you reopen the governor, and new reporting on how the white house is bracing for mueller's next move. my interview with senator tim kaine. we'll talk shutdown and the early warning from hillary clinton and pugh trin. . >> from everything...

Together. a lot of pieces are coming together that are very informative of that. russian interference was never shown, you don't have to be an investigator to know that. all you have to be able to do is read and read mueller's indictment in july, the gru, mueller details very carefully not just that we can prove the russians were engaged but they were so sloppy when they did it. they left traces of the urls that they used, they left traces of the cryptocurrency of the hacking and subsequent misinformation on facebook and elsewhere. it's not even disputable at this point that the russians were ...

Someone believed to be in league with russian intelligence. of all the things you would agreeing about, that ought to concern us the most. >> very concerning and we have two perfect guests for this. david was the former assistant chief counsel of the senate watergate committee and worked in the southern district of new york where the cohen case is. we're joined by kim waley. let me start with you, the significance of mueller against the backdrop of a new boss coming in who may not even let his report go public being quite busy this week. >> predictions of his demise as an independent counsel a...