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Washington senior political reporter and eli stokols, reporter for the l.a. times. jeremy bash, let me start with you. you have worked with and dealt with intelligence for your tour there. talk about what it does, not just to the heads of these agent sitz, but for the people who work under them, many layers under them, so hear the american president so blatantly and repeatedly contradict the universally agreed upon assessment of the intelligence community. >> here's the problem, nicole. when an intelligence officer of the united states goes out and tries to recruit a human asset, whether that ...

Come on now. >> when you send in a human asset -- >> come on, you're on spygate. can you address the point i just made? >> at the direction of a government under false pretenses, i don't know what you call that other than a spy. >> so the fbi was out to get the president. >> evan, hang on. evan, evan. evan reports on this. evan knows the facts. there was no spying? >> correct, there was no spying. the problem for the fbi is these e-mails and tex met messages an pete strzok, that's what happens when you have conduct, misconduct frankly, that was going on behind the scenes that we had no idea wa...

Front-page news in every newspaper across the globe is stunning. tucker, that's not it, though. keep in mind just a couple weeks ago, devin nunes on this network in interview withng maria bartiromo had another bombshell, that there was no official foreign intelligence, and through official channels present to the united states. that was a huge bombshell. notice what he didn't say. he didn't say it to pass through unofficial channels.fi we know two things. but eventually that information was laundered through the state department and potentially the u.s. senate, and we know there was potentiall...

Reporting, i've got a pretty good sense of who it is, and it does look as though indeed there was an fbi attempt, successful one, to basically go out and spy with a human asset on the trump campaign. >> jason: what about the timing? the timing abouts all of this is critical. do we understand the timing? what are the implications for that? >> it is so important. remember, the fbi has been doggedly sticking with this story, that what initiated this counterintelligence probe was a tip they got in july about the suppose it drunken conversation of a junior campaign aide named george papadopoulos.pa...

It does look as though indeed there was an f.b.i. attempt, a successful one to basically go out and spy with a human asset on the trump campaign. >> jason: what about the timing in is the timing about all of this is critical. do we understand the timing? what are the implications for that? >> yeah. it is so important because remember the f.b.i. has been doggedly sticking with this story that what initiated the counterintelligence probe was a tip they got in july about this supposed drunken conversation of a junior campaign aid named george papadopoulos. if for any reason we find out that this ...