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The "u.s.s. vincent" and its commanders absolutely lied. i know what cy has written about the ship's logs. it's understandable that mccraven would have had those logs turned over to the cia to try to forestall attempts to get at the actual information. >> yeah. i mean the key here, i think, andrea andrea two things in terms of sort of digesting all this. the presence of the walk-in does seem significant and newsworthy insofar as that's a new piece of information, complicates a story we have been told which was again mythologized. >> except, chris, they always protect human assets. >> of course...

Can't listen to you they are not telling the truth. we won't signal to our enemies we can eavesdrop on them. i assume we are telling them their secrets are safe we are listening to them. >> something to keep in mind. you are the one to ask. you are an expert in this field. the reason this conversation has come up is there have been as we mentioned in the intro, without a human footprint we have less oversight about what is happening in these countries yemen or iraq or syria that makes our surveillance more important but there are those that say it makes old-fashioned spying more important beca...

Federal statute which makes criminal providing material assistance to a terrorist organization. this includes money, this includes ceramic mugs. this includes maps. this includes professional services, and this includes releasing human assets back to a terrorist organization. president obama's justice department successfully prosecuted people for providing material assistance to terrorist organizations and now he himself has done so -- >> all right. >> by letting these five guys loose. >> to convict providing material support to terrorist, not only do you have to prove the defendant did that b...

Federal statute which makes criminal providing material assistance to a terrorist organization. this includes money, this includes ceramic mugs. this includes maps. this includes professional services, and this includes releasing human assets back to a terrorist organization. president obama's justice department successfully prosecuted people for providing material assistance to terrorist organizations and now he himself has done so -- >> all right. >> by letting these five guys loose. >> to convict providing material support to terrorist, not only do you have to prove the defendant did that b...

The failure to inform congress. he signed into law a statute saying if i'm going to take anybody out of gitmo for any reason, i have to give congress 30 days notice so they can object or they can inquire. somebody is calling brian. >> it is not my cell. it is the computer. >> all right. the far more difficult one -- we were talking about this before the president came on -- is that we have a federal statute which makes it a felony to provide material assistance to a terrorist organization. material assistance defines very, very broadly. it could be money, map, professionals service, it could b...