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Construct, it is not something that is anything but what humans have placed upon themselves to say you're going to be divided by race. i thought we were wrond that. we should be beyond that. >> in arizona you thought we were beyond that? >> yes, we are in fact. >> you don't see any irony in being from arizona and say we're distinguishing people on the basis of race. you see no irony in that? >> i see irony in people telling me that because i'm from arizona i should take a certain point of view. >> which is why i didn't say that. i said you're in the midst of a state that's engaged in set of po...

Studies programs do better on the tests, the aims tests than people who don't take it. even in terms of educational aims of the state it makes educational sense for people to take these courses in terms of everybody. >> what about that point, doug? isn't it a way -- i'm not going to make a side here -- make a case. but if you were like first generation american, your parents are from mexico or somewhere else, doesn't it encourage that kid to take more of an interest in studying in english, studying in school, which is going to help them become more assimilated, if part of that education includ...