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Homeland. people that don't have a key role shouldn't have a place in government. it's a national security issue and it leads to terrorism. so when they're able to say that and be specific, then i'll believe this sort of human cry actually matters. >> let me say this. i think we also need to understand that white nationalism is as de gaulle put it. it is the hate of others as a defining and animating principal, where patriotism is love of your country, love of your people, love of yourselves. this is an important debate in 21st century america because it's a debate whether the future will be i...

>> well, it is not absolutely unprecedented. and probably listeners, our viewers know, for example, of what occurred under the presidency of richard nixon. the extraordinary secrecy that he and henry kissinger went to conceal the preparation for the dramatic change in relations, the recognition of people's republic of china. that was all kept secret for fear that if it leaked, opponents would raise a human cry and undermine that initiative before it got off the ground. trump is no nixon. his team is not full of kissingers. while we have seen this secrecy before, the difference here, it is not ...

Time. >> sure. >> robert, i'd like to start with you, this latest reporting the u.s. president allegedly concealed details of his private meetings with vladimir putin, a claim without question would be out of the ordinary for senior officials not to know what was said except for the president's interpreter who he allegedly instructed not to discuss what was said. what would that mean for national security and for everyone else who was apparently left out of the loop? >> well, it's not actually unpr unprecedented. under richard nixon, the extraordinary secrecy he and henry kissinger went to con...

And disclosing. can you imagine the human cry of you had a candidate who paid rush money to go away and it was a campaign expenditure? >> had it been done that way, president trump is not subject to the $2700 limit himself so he could spend his own money for it. there would be questions about people advancing him money but let's shove that to the side. it would be reported, but how would it be reported? it would probably be reported as legal fees, the same way that the clintons reported the payments they made to their law firm to pay the british spy on trump. i'm not sure how enlightening that...

Discussed the issue with ivanka trump and he believed her to be very innocent, but then he said he doesn't see similarities between this and what happened with hillary clinton's drama, he said the two are very different. of course president trump centered his campaign largely on hillary clinton's e-mails, and that was something that he referenced at every rally and still does reference it on a regular basis, whether in private or public. that was a big question, whether it was hypocrital of ivanka trump when she says she didn't know how this handled. >> they both broke the rules. ivanka trump ...