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I would say up front there is no reason for the engineer to want to do that because it protects him against slight human errors. >> i'm wondering if somebody could hack onto that system as well. it remains a mystery at this point in time. richard healing who used to chair the ntsb. thank you for your expertise today. >> thank you very much. what liability does amtrak have in this deadly crash? brian claypool defensive attorney joins me on the set. it's a federally run organization. can you see the federal government? >> you can sue amtrak. the stronger your case is would be based on whether ...

Exposed, ashleigh. >> kind of a crummy christmas for that one person. >> yeah. >> that's for sure. quick question, because you and i had lengthy discussions back in june after workers were potentially exposed to anthrax because of an inactivation, a problem, they did transferring, they hadn't activated the virus. there had to be protocol changes put ins place to minimize human errors. different protocols or same thing, same mistake, shouldn't have been made twice? >> yeah. well they put them in place and the question is whether those protocols were followed. look back in june, really dozens of...

Is one reason. >> things like pressurize ed airplanes that were able to fly above bad weather. the jet engine which is way more powerful and way more reliable. we came up with electronic devices that catch human errors. >> reporter: 17 years ago a white house commission published a dire prediction. unless the global accident rate is reduced by the year 2015, an airliner will crash somewhere in the world almost weekly. the dire prediction never materialized. t way the aviation committee is looking now to take an excellence rating agency and make it better is to see trends in the data before tho...

In the late '80s, apostate 90s involved the automations. it was the pilot clear on what mode the autopilot was in and how to use it and how it works. i would point out on the good side of automation a lot of things the airplane and cockpit that track human errors before they become catastrophic. things like warning systems and collision avoidance systems, the automation basically starts talking to the pilot. jon: is it a problem of primarily with foreign carriers or do you see it among us-based aircrews as well? >> i think you're kind of touching a what might be a very important cultural issue...

Are subject to strict control. >> query, which is the search of the database can only be done on reasonable articulatable suspicion and only 22 people have access to that, trained and vetted analysts at the nsa. >> but weather wl the government has enough safeguards is an open question that starts with the unauthorized access that edward snowden got, a sore point on the hill. >> who double-checked mr. snowden? >> there are checks at multiple levels, there are checks in terms of what an individual might be doing at a point in time. >> they obviously failed. >> in this case we can say they faile...