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Radar is not clear it's not clear what's happened at this point. >> barbara, when we spoke last night you broke the news that you believed american officials were pretty convinced now that this plane had gone down into the indian ocean somewhere. putting together the new revelations we've heard about the trajectory of the plane, about the fact it may have been taken over by one or more people who deliberately tampered with the systems, what can you now tell me with all that also bringing in your information about the plane probably having crashed? >> reporter: piers, let me go through a couple...

Was the data akar system turned off by a human hand? did it bank, turn? was ate pilot or human hand that did that, as opposed to was it spiralling into the sea. if those things were turn bade human hand, it would indicate more toward a cockpit takeover. we can add to that today as nbc news reported today that united states satellites, infrared specialized satellites did not detect an explosion in the air, and likely they would have. they're very sensitive, and apparently they can detect things like that. >> so if there was no explosion in the air that was detected, then either there are some t...

Joining me now is james cavanaugh, an msnbc law enforcement analyst. james, what do you make of this new information? >> well, it goes back to things we talked about last night, lawrence. a human hand involved, i still feel and the evidence suggests there must be some human involvement in that plane turning and the transponder being turned off. because there seems to be many redundant systems in those planes according to the airline pilots and ntsb experts. >> why would the -- it seems like there's more to hear from the military. why would they stop tracking the plane especially when the trans...

Control. the military also said the 777 was last detected near 29,000 feet, almost 10,000 feet below cruising altitude. joining me now is james calimer, an msnbc law enforcement analyst. james, what do you make of this new information? >> well, it goes back to things we talked about last night, lawrence. a human hand involved, i still feel and the evidence suggests there must be some human involvement in that plane turning and the transponder being turned off. because there seems to be many redundant systems in those planes according to the airline pilots and ntsb experts. >> why would the -- ...

But we've had cases like egypt air in the northeast where the pilot drove the plane into the water. so those things have to be eliminated. they have to be worked carefully. i think law enforcement will identify these two people traveling on a stolen passport. and there could be other suspected passengers. i think one of the seminal pieces in this case, lawrence, is the fact that the flight turned. and if the pilots and experts can tell us, was that flight turned by a human hand as opposed to an accident, damage to a rudder or something, then that gives us at least the point to say that some hu...