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Going to be a tough holiday for a lot of folks. >> are you saying that our politics has replaced our faith? >> i think there's an interesting argument to be explored that there is a natural human impulse to seek meaning and order and community, and that more often than not at the moment, people are seeking meaning, order, and community in political tribalism as opposed to traditional religious communities and affiliations. >> do you buy that? >> it's such a smart thesis, and i think it's a very intriguing one. i think there's an added dimension with trump, which is that what divides us about t...

You get information like that, your human impulse is to save yourself some money. it was a lot of money, probably $750,000, according to the indictment. if you don't want to drink, you got to stay out of a bar. if you don't want to get tagged with insider trading when you're loaded up with all that information that you get in the congress, just don't have a personal trading account. >> yeah, all right. let's discuss rudy giuliani while i have you, anthony. the back and forth that's been going on and whether the president will eventually agree to a sit-down interview with the special counsel, r...

Perhaps did not have in mind the so i think there's a lot more information the government needs to provide before i think that becomes the credible basis for programs like this and tell us more sophia about the type of opposition we've seen to this facial recognition technology in china itself. well i mean people have certainly objected to the idea that you know that that they cannot spend time in public places without any reasonable hope of privacy you know it's one thing if you're walking down the street and you observe a security or surveillance camera for example but increasingly people ar...

Telling his story? that's a human -- an understandable human impulse that you're sick of people talking about you and you want to have the last word or do you see something in the timing of why he's breaking his silence today? >> a lot of this we don't know because we don't know what the prosecutors have been describing to them in terms of how their investigation is moving forward of the obviously you're going to make different choices about what you say publicly depending what level of legal threat you think you're under. the one thing we still haven't seen, you know, michael cohen was not ju...

Martyrdom. they were willing to shed their blood for the redemption of a country. i think a lot of us are worried that that redemption is to some extent at risk. >> iall s aulso want to bring something else to life. the picture of apollo 17. last time we went up to the had moon, walked around and came back. 45 years ago on pearl harbor day. this would have been the second day of its voyage to the moon. astronauts schmidt, and evans if memory serves. what did we learn by stopping there and fought going back? >> for is something, isn't there, wonderful about the human impulse for exploration and...