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In all the years i've been flying in a simulator, i've never seen an airplane hit the ground. we recover before that happens. >> reporter: so that was unthinkable for you? >> yeah. hard to see. >> reporter: roger takes us through a manual scenario, explaining the germanwings pilot likely did not do this based on the controlled descent. >> pull up! >> reporter: uncomfortable. >> it is. let's just -- can we come out of this? >> pull up! >> get out of this. no need to take it through the -- >> pull up! >> reporter: even in the simulator, in a scenario we've asked him to do for the purposes of the...

>> my mom yelled, that guy is trying to steal your car. your child is in it. >> so melanie acts as fast as she can. she takes only one step and then launches her body at her passenger side window as the car backs up toward her. >> well, once i realized somebody was taking my car and my baby was inside of it, it is human instinct. you do what you got to do. there's no planning. there's no thinking. you are taking my child. you're going to die. or get hurt in the long run. i took my elbow and bashed out my side window as hard as i could. >> as soon as she broke the glass with her elbow, i immedi...

When dick cheney talks about enhanced interrogation techniques, you know they're talking about torture. tonight we're not talking right or wrong. we all know where we stand on that one already. let's talk about one simple issue. does it work? if in a terrible situation where the country has a lot on the line. should the president give the go ahead to give it a try or not? is there a plausible case based on human instinct, human history, what we call common sense that giving someone pain gets them to tell the truth or gets some people to tell the truth? glen carl, a former cia officer and autho...

When dick cheney talks about enhanced interrogation techniques, you know they're talking about torture. tonight we're not talking right or wrong. we all know where we stand on that one already. let's talk about one simple issue. does it work? if in a terrible situation where the country has a lot on the line. should the president give the go ahead to give it a try or not? is there a plausible case based on human instinct, human history, what we call common sense that giving someone pain gets them to tell the truth or gets some people to tell the truth? glen carl, a former cia officer and autho...

6-month-old samantha in the back seat. >> my mom yelled, that guy is trying to steal your car. your child is in it. >> so melanie acts as fast as she can. she takes only one step and then launches her body at her passenger side window as the car backs up toward her. >> well, once i realized somebody was taking my car and my baby was inside of it, it is human instinct. you do what you got to do. there's no planning. there's no thinking. you are taking my child. you're going to die. or get hurt in the long run. i took my elbow and bashed out my side window as hard as i could. >> as soon as she b...