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Caucus, a democrat has to bring in a republican or a republican has to bring in a democrat. so i think that effort right there in congress is sort of shattering this myth that climate change is a left issue or a right issue. the ice doesn't care what party you are. it just melts. and so i think we need to see that and move forward in all branches of our government because it's critical. it's a human issue. there's no plan "b" planet. >> and then when you deal with the whole question of politics in this, the president denying the amount of people that died in puerto rico, i mean, we're talking ...

Leave you -- did writing it leave you particularly d dispirited? >> it's depressing so see how close we came during that decade to a meaningful solution or the possibility of one. and i think it's also dispiriting how people then understood the science, had the same ideas about the need for a resolution, and still struggled to rally support behind common sense solutions. so that's depressing, certainly. i also think there's impetus to start talking about this issue in a different way, not simply as a political issue or a scientific issue, but as a human issue, which is to say, a moral issue. a...

Revolution, there is solar energy and wind, all very small, i understand, but do you look at -- is your glass half full in any way or did that article leave you -- did writing it leave you particularly dispirited? >> it's depressing so see how close we came during that decade to a meaningful solution or the possibility of one. and i think it's also dispiriting how people then understood the science, had the same ideas about the need for a solution, and still struggled to rally support behind common sense solutions. so that's depressing, certainly. i also think there's impetus to start talking ...

Difference? >> of course. i think all of that comes into play. you're talking about a human issue, a human rights issue, not only a civil rights issue. >> thank thank you, sir i appreciate your time. >> you're welcome. when we come back, this is what the president said just yesterday. >> when you prosecute the par t parents for coming in illegally, which should happen, you have to take the children away. >> now he's reversed himself. what exchanged from yesterday till today? start with water thas a lot of dissolved solids. pour it through brita's two-stage filter. dissolved solids remain? wh...

Of the audio. what do you think the turning point was? >> well, i think when you talk about separating children who are three months of age -- here's another fact. a year ago, we were told that bethany was handling children, average age about 12. today the average age is 7, so it's going down. so, i think that the focus on the most vulnerable population, children, who cannot communicate for themselves, who are barely able to say words and can only speak -- they can speak is the spanish, and some may have disabilities and special needs. all those factors i think come into play and -- >> but you...