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What do you think their thinking will be over the next couple of days? >> well, the truth is that verdicts are rarely just about evidence or the law. they're about human judgment. and both of the attorneys have to sit there and say here is my juror, i've got a nursing assistant with eight kids, i've got a safety officer, i've got a woman whose husband is a space attorney who used to carry a conceal and carry weapon but let it lapse. these are the people that we have to talk to, this is the judgment that has to be made. it's what they think of it. it's likely that their judgment has already bee...

Constitutional, they have oversight and they are necessary. martha, we've had 50-plus islamists-based terrorist plots in the united states since 9/11. we can't forget the marathon bombers, we can't forget fort hood, we are can't forget 9/11. interest seems to me in terms of boston there was a human judgment made to stop following these people. if here had not then we perhaps could have used this program to track them and prevented boston. martha: i really hope that the chairman of the the intel committee, mike rogers, that he gets the permission to divulge the details of that one thwarted plot...

Investigation. what i'm saying here is that my recollection is that we find out about -- we dropped them, remember? we looked at them, there was a human judgment that tkhaoe sided by the f.b.i. that he's guys were no longer a threat and they dropped him. if they continued to follow him then we may have gone through their social media and phone calls, it was a human judgment issue. i agree with you. i agree with you. martha: this is precisely the kind of people that you would want to be watching, you know. and i think that if we had caught them, right if they had been following and tracking the...

She can get that set of lungs and then change the rule. don't wait for the rules to change. let's do it to make sure she survives. beautiful little girl. it's the ability for human judgment. rules are rules. we have rules and there are exceptions that could be made but i admire for working hard to figure out a way to get her story in front of them. she could be an example for other people in the future. so maybe someone you know. i think in the future some of the questions are going to be heart-wrenching but the government will make them. >> greg: that is the key lesson you come away from wh...

And you try and allocate the money to the most seriously injured or lives lost. >> how do you play god with all due respect and decide what is the value of an 8-year-old martin richards' future life to his family and the lots that they have suffered? >> you can't do that. the best you can do is try to exercise some sound human judgment. we have this much money. in the past, in aurora, 9/11, virginia tech, we, we did it this way. in newtown, they'll do it this way. and you try and build on what you've learned and hope that both the victims and the public and the families will understand the imp...