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Position than his agency, i don't know how one could have read your piece which was extremely thorough, the most thorough piece at the time and it was in plain english even though it got the science of everything you found. not leaned through that conclusion because the conclusion was here's the information from the grant forward and asked for this natural jump, sorry, there's nothing. you want to elaborate on this? >> is surprise me the intelligence agency seemed to be behind. i just don't know how good they are. for example what i would call the semi smoking gun on all this is a grant propos...

Don't know how one could have read your piece which was extremely thorough, the most thorough piece at the time and it was in plain english even though it got the science of everything you found. not leaned through that conclusion because the conclusion was here's the information from the grant forward and asked for this natural jump, sorry, there's nothing. you want to elaborate on this? >> is surprise me the intelligence agency seemed to be behind. i just don't know how good they are. for example what i would call the semi smoking gun on all this is a grant proposal in the wuhan trip to the ...

These grant proposals you demonstrate that they were for and what they were all about, the conclusion, we don't have enough evidence to say one way or another but there's many more fingers at the lab and no fingers pointing to this jump. still no fingers pointing to the jump. you've been in the media a long time, you strike me as a very honest and earnest man, more on the technical side, not the political side but don't you find it amazing other than guy that nobody was interested in talking to you? i read this and immediately said let's get a hold of this gentleman, i want to talk to h him. >...