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Right. but the vast majority of the people who use marijuana don't go on to those other drugs. >> so you're saying it's not that the pot necessarily leads to these things, it's just that he's that's what they were first able to get their hands on. >> a gateway drug is tobacco and alcohol. those are gateway drugs. i'm really disturbed by the whole idea that whether or not something is addictive is a criteria for it being illegal. that whole logic is very flawed to me. if that's the case for sure alcohol has to be illegal, tobacco has to be illegal. pills have to be illegal. ambien. >> but it's ...

What we don't have now, now we have bureaucrats who can't make the distinction between somebody who needs a kick in the pants and somebody who needs a pat on the back. we will put them back in the venue of human relationship where by you can apply the feedback incentives and disdain and citying lstigma and all of the rest>> this audience is different than most in that they understand before the welfare state there was these mu tile aid societies every where which helped people. >> there's nothing about being a politician that makes you more compassionate and caring than the people who send you...

Been explored is because drug companies can't make money off it. do you buy that? >> cannibis is already entering into colorado -- >> the plant. >> tobacco is a plant. let's not forget that. tobacco is a plant. that was a serious problem. >> the big point you do want to get illegal element out of the trade. >> listen. here's the big problem you guys are missing it. people still have a moral model as it pertains to the human relationship to substances. it has nothing to do with morality. it's a by biological event. it makes them behave in immoral ways, some people who use the drugs, they want t...

Because it's still illegal, charles. we don't know what benefit this drug has. lancet, britain's medical journal called it the aspirin of the 21st century. that's not limited. >> the reason that this hasn't been explored is because drug companies can't make money off it. do you buy that? >> cannibis is already entering into colorado -- >> the plant. >> tobacco is a plant. let's not forget that. tobacco is a plant. that was a serious problem. >> the big point you do want to get illegal element out of the trade. >> listen. here's the big problem you guys are missing it. people still have a moral...

Moment ago in a foreign affairs publication here, they talked about a strained relationship, strained over the keystone pipeline project, strained over problems between the two countries over trade. is there anything to that? >> well, there is always bumps in the road in any relationship, any human relationship, but we are very happy with the relationship we have with the united states. we have deep ties. our border and our relationship are the most open and intimate arguably in history, and as we discuss issues we find solutions coming forward, particularly on the perimeter, arrangements that...