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>> in factory. >> quite an accomplishment. >> i didn't go to college. >> you didn't go to college? >> i didn't go to the college. >> why not? >> most of the professors are way behind the development speed of the communities. >> why? your country is so advanced in so many other ways. why in this area? >> the network problem here in china, we have gfw, the great firewall, and it blocked a lot of important information websites. inside china. and a lot of people, they can't get the cutting-edge technology, which we don't teach in college at all. so the human resource problem and the manpower probl...

>> they went out to firms, they explained why apprenticeship can work for them and how it helps solve their human resource problem and how they can upskill their jobs. not just their workers so that they make a lot of jobs that might seem not so advanced and difficult much more advanced and capable. so that's what we ought to be doing. >> okay. robert lerman -- >> it takes a while to do it. we haven't really tried. >> it's throughout and you spoke to that point that it's out there. people need to know it's available and it can help with the job situation. robert from the urban institute, thank...