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The nypd and national security editor at the blaze.com. good to see you. you're the perfect person to talk to because this was brain child of cia and carried out in new york after the september 11th attacks but became controversial once news of it became public. what was the program that's been ended? >> the idea was to essentially map the human terrain. that's what we call it in the intelligence community. but just as if you're a police officer patrolling your beat. gives you and idea what to look for. in a crisis situation, you have to track down a terror cell you want to know the communitie...

The nypd and national security editor at the blaze.com. good to see you. you're the perfect person to talk to because this was brain child of cia and carried out in new york after the september 11th attacks but became controversial once news of it became public. what was the program that's been ended? >> the idea was to essentially map the human terrain. that's what we call it in the intelligence community. but just as if you're a police officer patrolling your beat. gives you and idea what to look for. in a crisis situation, you have to track down a terror cell you want to know the communitie...

Restaurant, a pakistani restaurant, has a small room downstairs. the floor was covered, fliers for local community events. bangladeshis and indians. this looks like profiling of the crudest form. >> the muslim community says that's what the nypd was doing, targeted. if you were a muslim, from syria, egypt. regardless of whether you're an american or own one of these businesses, or arrested, you would be targeted. the nypd was literally trying to map the human terrain of the five boroughs. >> so what is the -- take the devil's advocate argument here. my understanding from your book is that they...

That was created by this unit. then also a writeup of a restaurant, a pakistani restaurant, has a small room downstairs. the floor was covered, fliers for local community events. bangladeshis and indians. this looks like profiling of the crudest form. >> the muslim community says that's what the nypd was doing, targeted. if you were a muslim, from syria, egypt. regardless of whether you're an american or own one of these businesses, or arrested, you would be targeted. the nypd was literally trying to map the human terrain of the five boroughs. >> so what is the -- take the devil's advocate arg...

Some of these groups? >> well, it is really difficult, when you're doing this. i think the u.s. government though they haven't been too active in involvement in syria, when you talk to the people involved in this, in the state department and u.s. intelligence agencies they are doing a pretty good job, from what i've heard of mapping the human terrain, if you will, of looking at who is inside syria, what these different groups are. so if there is a decision they want to start sending weapons they should have a pretty good idea of who they can give weapons to. where it starts to get tricky, ther...