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Need to look at this photo. we need to say their names. oscar and valeria. because we have been dragged into a place in our politics where we have made abstractions of human beings and have disconnected policies and political debates from the people being affected. and that's exactly what we can't do. the administration will talk about coyotes a lot. they will talk about the border crossings in a way that try to dehumanize the people and undercut their idealism of wanting to come here. but this was a family fleeing violence trying to apply for asylum. and died crossing a river. and it is the m...

Things they say about the president. here he was as the commander in chief with a lot of things on the line and very serious decisions to make and he made a decision that people are saying is the right decision. i think it's the most important thing for us to focus on. he's not trying to get into this conflict. he's trying to put the iranian regime under sanctions and have a different foreign policy with them without going to war with them. he just demonstrated that with this decision here. if something does happen further down the road, we'll know he was reluctant to do it. >> senior republic...

It go etc. to that universal human thing. can people grow? can people change? can people truly atone? can people accept other policies if it's offered? that's what this show gets to this show also gets, to this whole question around addiction and drug recovery. a lot of this stuff we need to talk a lot more about in this country. >> i want to ask you a bigger picture question about this episode, it showcases how a vicious cycle of crime and violence begets more crime and violence. how do restorative justice conversations like this help break that cycle? >> listen in all of these shows, there h...

>> look, i think that's a human thing. >> i think it's a human thing too. his book, which i read and reported on, to the end always said he was doing it for the country and to defend the fbi. he never copped to a personal motivation. >> right. but i think he felt mistreated, and that is a human thing. and when we start to see witnesses come forward, it's often -- and talk about what they're saying to investigators, it's often because they feel like they're either misunderstood or mistreated. i think the issue here is why robert mueller didn't go after don jr. for that trump tower meeting. and ...

>> tell me about this. why have these conversations? >> well, because it's a fundamental human thing. we all have made mistakes and want to somehow apologize, don't know how, and we've all had bad stuff happen to us. this show the stakes are higher because the incidents are much more powerful. but the reason why we get 99% positive response on twitter, twitter which is usually hater, is because this is a deeply human show and it gives people an opportunity to see something beautiful happen. >> i'm actually jealous of your timeline when i read the -- i'm like van's getting all this love. and mi...