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With no covid testing. unless they show symptoms. how is that helping anybody stop the spread? >> again, we have a protocol and process in police as it relates to covid in terms of testing and quarantining. and also vaccines are provided for a range of migrants by our partner organizations in the region. what is happening now is that as i outlined yesterday, is that if individuals cannot be expelled under title 42, they are placed in removal proceedings, as you referred to, that may -- that may require them being placed in ice detainment facilities or it may require being -- them being given a...

Securing the safety of the american public. >> and, mr. secretary, i have to ask you, you talk about this american tradition of welcoming refugees, welcoming people in need. we're welcoming afghans, but we're sending haitians back. is there a contradiction there? >> not at all. those two processes are quite different. we are bringing in afghan nationals by air after they have been screened and vetted. that is a safe, orderly, and humane process. that is quite different than illegal entry in between ports of entry in a time of pandemic when we have been quite clear, explicit, for months now tha...

Psychosocial care for the kids. i have a hard time with milan and honduras where gangs rule the land. it's coming from a similar session. they are all facing trauma. the kids that are stepping up to take care of these kids are saints in my mind. >> what do you think of the news of the president, he is saying, okay, let's detain, i'll no longer sign this executive order, not separating the kids and their parents, detaining them altogether? your thoughts on that? >> so, we would love to see families stay together. we want to see families stay together. i'd love to see what the president will sig...