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>> of a century ago of inhumanity. that's why you don't watt it. >> you know as a son of immigrants, that everybody wants to come into the country, right? that folks who come here voluntarily, they want to come in and they want to close the door behind them, right? they want to come in, and they don't want to let the other folks in. is that fair? >> no, it's not fair. >> once you get in -- >> it's also not fair about my family. >> you know what i'm saying. >> that's the story of this country. everybody seems to not like how they're treated and then they treat the people next just like it. >> y...

All the various technologies to deal with the border and the integrity of this thing. we were never a wall away. it was never a panacea. but it is part of an equation of barriers and ways to detect who comes across. but it's not the big problem. the big problem are the rules. what is asylum? where do you apply for asylum? how does that process work? who processes those claims. >> yeah. >> and where? how many people? they have a budget shortfall right now. they don't have the places to keep these people. >> that's why they need -- that's why they need the money. that's why they need the big ove...

Having to possibly come in to contact with people on horses and so on and so forth. that is the -- that's the definition of systemic, whatever it is. systemic racism, systemic whatever. it's built into the system. the system is created or set up in a way that it isn't fair to anyone, really. >> i agree. now, look. we have a this and that. this is you use any part of your horse or your tack the wrong way to abuse somebody, you're going to be held to account. they'll do that investigation. that is i'm telling you, don, i believe that politicians on both sides do not want to fix this situation. i...

Protecting our democracy act. it proposes ways to prevent presidential power from being exploited. and when we saw how executive norms were abused under trump, how far does this bill go in stopping that from happening again? >> well, it's a bill very much like the sweeping post watergate reforms that were designed to address the abuses of the nixon administration. here we attack the politicization of the justice department, the way the former president used it as his private law firm and used it to go after his political enemies. we protect whistle-blowers. we protect inspector generals from b...

>> because it was too big. he did have the numbers, but it was too big. he wanted to do too much. there was too much they wanted in it. >> how much is that humane, for someone to be humane, how is that too big? >> i don't think it is. but i'm saying what was in the proposals that were put forward. you got to be small. you want to do the dreamers, do the dreamers. do it. the right won't do it. why? because they want family reunification and all these other little things they believe are cheats to the system. they won't just do the dreamers. trump said he would. the right came to him and said be...