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They can't do that because they've become this extreme faction in america. it is stunning to me, and i have to say to every one of my senate colleagues and house colleagues, call up one of the 4,500 clinics in america that get this funding. only a quarter of the money goes to plant parenthood. by the way, not a penny can be used for ab borgs. you know that. that's been the law forever. >> i know the law. the hyatt amendment. >> call the others that get this money, they will tell you they save lives every day by doing these important hiv/aids testing and blood press sure and diabetes testing. 5...

The hyatt amendment. >> so this is restricting private health insurance provided privately to individual americans, essentially restricting them from providing coverage for abortions? >> well, what it does, it doesn't ban the abortion but it says that you can't get any tax credit. i think what it really says is insurance companies don't offer abortion coverage. that's the safe way to go because people won't want to buy that coverage because they won't be able -- let's say they have a separate health tax account. if they use that money to pay for insurance or pay for abortion, then that will be...

Already ban funding for abortion? why do we need the no taxpayer funding for abortion act? >> well, because this bill actually goes way further. this says that a person whose employer provides health care but that health insurance policy covers abortions, man or woman, then that employer can't get a tax break. if an individual who buys a policy that provides for abortion cannot get any kind of health care tax deduction if that policy were to cover abortion. so, now it goes into private money and private insurance policies and things that people do on their own. it's -- it is much further than ...

Americans believe that women should be able to make choices. do they always agree there shouldn't be some rules of the road? but roe versus wade provides rules of the road around abortion. the hyatt amendment says direct federal funding isn't going to go to abortions. i think that's a discrimination against poor women. i don't support the hyatt amendment but that is the law right now. this goes way beyond. >> what do you think explains the distance between the reporting about the priorities of this republican congress that say that they're really abandoning culture war issues, they're letting ...

What people think is most important. in fact, we have a pro-choice country right now. the congress is way out of step. this is not a priority for americans. americans believe that women should be able to make choices. do they always agree there shouldn't be some rules of the road? but roe versus wade provides rules of the road around abortion. the hyatt amendment says direct federal funding isn't going to go to abortions. i think that's a discrimination against poor women. i don't support the hyatt amendment but that is the law right now. this goes way beyond. >> what do you think explains the...